Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Archbishop Daniel is in Error

StandFirm has a longer report, in which Archbishop Daniel of Sudan says: "Gene Robinson is an error."

My God does not make mistakes.

[Note: Edited in the cool light of day to eliminate a bit of excessive vitriol, of which I now repent.]

11 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course, God does not make junk. BUT, you forget the effects of the Fall--that the imago Dei was defaced by the sin of our first parents. Perhaps disordered sexuality (to use a Thomistic reference) is the result of the Fall.

Or I suppose you could just deny Original Sin and say with theological profundity "it's all good ..."

7/23/2008 11:10 AM  
Blogger Lisa Fox said...

No, Anonymous, I never forget the effects of the Fall, and my sin is ever before me.

And I pray for those who are so sexually disordered that they obsess about other people's sex lives.

7/23/2008 11:29 AM  
Blogger IT said...

You know, I dislike the idea that I am somehow "responsible" for slavery. My young German friends do not consider themselves "responsible" for the evils of their grandparents' generation in WWII.

This idea that we are all crawling worms in the gutter because of some "sin" committed in past myth is revolting (yet another part of Christianity I find quite offensive).

What I do know is that as a faithfully partnered gay woman, I am so much better,kinder, and more loving a person than when I was a celibate (which I was for many, many years).

What I do know is that my partner's love is the greatest gift I could ever want or receive and I am humbled by it daily.

And what I also know is that sex plays a very small part in that amazing love.

Finally, of course, I also know that science and our knowledge of the world exceeds what was known in Biblical times. So I expect anyone who takes umbrage against the idea that homosexuality is a normal variant like left-handedness or red hair, will also be ready to dismiss other post-Biblical advances like air travel, antibiotics, and heart surgery.

I'm sorry, Lisa, for the small part I play in leaving the door open and letting in those whose minds ARE in the gutter.

IT

7/23/2008 11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lisa,
You make me laugh.

In response to anonymous:
I guess we can and do lay all manner of things at the altar of The Fall. However, even if one thinks I have a disordered sexuality, that doesn't mean I am less than human.

It may well be that when I am before God, that God will say depart from me and cast me into outer darkness simply because I am a lesbian. Given my relationship with God now and over the years, I do not believe that will be the case. But God is God and I will accept God's judgement. In the meantime, I plan to live my life as best I can according to what I understand the message of Christ to be, to live into the Kingdom, to love God, others, myself.

To me, that means believing that all people are made in the image of God, Christ can be found in all people, and therefore it is imperative that I look for the Christ, the image of God, in all people and love them.

I admit that I have gnashed my teeth a few times over the last few days. I admit to frustration and anger and hurt. I know some have difficulty seeing Christ in me because I'm a big ol' lesbian. I have had difficulty seeing Christ in those who promote hatred and even violence.

Even the dogs eat the crumbs from under the master's table. I am happy that my master invites me, considered "dog" by some, and all of humanity, to join around the table for a feast of abundance.

I feel heavy of heart.

I pray for peace for the Archbishop, anonymous, you Lisa, and me.

--Susan

7/23/2008 12:08 PM  
Blogger Lisa Fox said...

God bless you, IT & Susan. You gladden my heart.

7/23/2008 12:22 PM  
Blogger Caminante said...

Augustine at the end of his days repented of having come up with the emphasis of original sin. If you will, it's the fall into consciousness.

7/23/2008 6:33 PM  
Blogger Lisa Fox said...

Thanks for that, Caminante.

I guess I still have plenty of the "prayer of humble access" in my bones.

7/23/2008 7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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7/23/2008 9:52 PM  
Blogger Lisa Fox said...

Robroy, this isn't a flesh-eating blog like the places you typically hang out.

Talk to me as you would speak to me face-to-face in my living room, and I'll let your comments stay here.

But I'm not in a generous mood to tolerate your claptrap tonight. So your comment is gone. And your friend "Anonymous" is on the edge, too.

7/23/2008 10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Fox is correct in saying that God does not make errors, but Ms. Fox, unless your god is TEC or Gene Robinson that does not mean that the Bishop of New Hampshire’s episcopate can not be an error.

Do you understand BASIC logic?

RSB

7/23/2008 10:37 PM  
Blogger Lisa Fox said...

Ah ... I see by Ye Olde Sitemeter that StandFlabby has linked to one of my posts. No wonder the trolls are out in force.

Time for me to put comments back into moderation, lest we be overwhelmed by wackadoos.

The good news is: Since I'm moderating comments, I've turned off the hideous word verification.

Now ... to the comment at hand.

Yes, RSB, I understand basic logic.

Maybe in the fullness of time, we will discover Gene's consecration was an error. I don't think so, but I'm open to the possibility.

My point is that Archbishop Daniel said "Gene Robinson is an error." If you support him, then you must take deeply into your soul the possibility that "RSB is an error." Can you hear that and agree? According to +Daniel's logic, you may be one of God's mistakes.

7/23/2008 10:48 PM  

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